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It isn't about........Smoking

April 13th, 2005 (04:11 am)

http://KeepAustinFree.com

I hold a blade to every *I only smoke when I go out* throat.

Where?

Wherever will YOU go out?

And when you want to get dirty,
come away with unclean nails???

*spits*

I LIVE HERE.
THESE ARE MY CHURCHES.
THIS IS MY FAMILY.

Your fancy is my WORLD.

*looks around at her dirty little room with it's candles
and painting and pictures and post cards*

I wanted a HOME
my whole LIFE.

and I found my Life, Here.
Home.

And Friends.....to fill it.

This IS about smoking.
It's about all that you tug into you
to breathe.

On the shelves of my dirty little
ROOM
are the stories
that brought me to life.

Stories about US
The people in those smoke
filled
bars.

YOU don't even GO there.
WHY.
WHY???

Must you take it away.

Kill the planet with your SUV's.
Your consumtion.

Put your babies on pills
to quiet them.

And tell yourselves
WE
are the monsters.

I've no children.
No cars.
No accounts.

When I was a kid.....
My Mother told me bars were sad places
where people went to forget.




Been to a Mall lately?



Choose Your Poison.
LET
EVERYONE

CHOOSE

THEIR POISON.

(Vote on May 7th)

First they came for the Communists, but I was not a Communist
so I did not speak out.
then they came for the Socialists and the Trade Unionists,
but I was neither, so I did not speak out.
Then they came for the Jews,
but I was not a Jew so I did not speak out.

And when they came for me,
there was no one left to speak out for me --


Pastor Martin Niemoeller,
from the Kirchenverwaltung der Evangelischen Kirche in Hessen and Darmstadt







Laugh.

Hope to laugh last.

Comments

Posted by: Fox Confessor Brings the Flood (metaphorge)
Posted at: April 13th, 2005 09:22 am (UTC)
freedom to breathe

The smoking ban hasn't seemed to hurt California very much in the last decade.

Posted by: Red Lipstick & Green Ink (ginger931)
Posted at: April 13th, 2005 09:41 am (UTC)
Re: freedom to breathe
Black Cat Burns

oh god.

we're going to lose.

*head in hands*



Posted by: Red Lipstick & Green Ink (ginger931)
Posted at: April 13th, 2005 09:47 am (UTC)
Re: freedom to breathe
Rizzo

Darling...
You're kidding, Right?

Posted by: Fox Confessor Brings the Flood (metaphorge)
Posted at: April 13th, 2005 10:12 am (UTC)
Re: freedom to breathe

In this case, no. As an asthmatic who also lost their father to lung cancer, I'm not really big on not being able to breathe, and I do like to go out. One of the reasons I wanted to move to Cali is because of the smoke-free bars.

I used to go out to the smoke-filled places in Nashville even though I would hurt from coughing afterwards, but I decided itthe pain was not worth it. So, I missed seeing a lot of things I wanted to see because the only places that shows would be would be smoking, so I'm not overly sympathetic to the shoe being on the other foot for a change.

Sorry sweetie.

Posted by: Fox Confessor Brings the Flood (metaphorge)
Posted at: April 13th, 2005 10:15 am (UTC)
Re: freedom to breathe

I guess the way I figure it is, people can do things without smoking, but I can't (not don't want to, but can't) do things around smoking people.

I usually only even eat pot in brownies, not smoke it. It hurts too bad.

Posted by: Glenn (gev)
Posted at: April 13th, 2005 05:15 pm (UTC)
Re: freedom to breathe ELSEWHERE
southpark

I'm sorry you CAN'T go to smoky places.
I'm glad said ban hasn't hurt CALIFORNIA.

However, I am sad for all the mom'n'pops that closed up shop because of it.
I will be sad if the same thing happens here.
I do not smoke cigarettes, but I do not condone banning such activity.
I disagree with laws that cater to the few
and remove freedom of choice from the many.

Posted by: Fox Confessor Brings the Flood (metaphorge)
Posted at: April 13th, 2005 05:38 pm (UTC)
Re: freedom to breathe ELSEWHERE

However, I am sad for all the mom'n'pops that closed up shop because of it.

Show me one. The logic doesn't hold up very well if no place allows smoking, as there is no competition.

I disagree with laws that cater to the few
and remove freedom of choice from the many.


How is this a "freedom of choice" question? Other people's smoking in a confined space removes the choice of anyone else present. Without a ban, any business that wants to protect the health of its patrons and its employees is at a disadvantage to unscrupulous businesses that does not. It's unfortunate that it's only city of Austin wanting this ban; if the whole state did it, there would be little potential negative consequence.

If smokers would not selfishly impose their smoke on others others then this wouldn't be an issue. In this case, "the few" is anyone that does not want carcinogenic substances put into their body.

Should a factory be allowed to dump toxic waste into a town's water supply, or is that also abridging their "rights"?

(I apologize for coming off as so strident on this, but it's something I very strongly believe in. If it were the smokers only hurting themselves then that's one thing; this is about endangerment of others.)

Posted by: Glenn (gev)
Posted at: April 13th, 2005 05:54 pm (UTC)
Re: freedom to breathe ELSEWHERE

endangerment of others

others who CHOOSE to be where smoking is allowed.

town water supply is a poor example.
EVERYBODY needs water.
NOT everybody needs a smoky bar.
don't like it?  stay OUT.

Posted by: Fox Confessor Brings the Flood (metaphorge)
Posted at: April 13th, 2005 06:09 pm (UTC)
Re: freedom to breathe ELSEWHERE

*sighs*

I'm not going to debate this much further in G's journal.

I'll just leave it at this: if this law passes, it is not a disaster, despite the doom-and-gloom propaganda.

Final question: if I don't want to drive with drunk drivers on the road, should I not drive and should we let the drunks drive?

Posted by: Glenn (gev)
Posted at: April 13th, 2005 06:33 pm (UTC)
Re: freedom to breathe ELSEWHERE

should I not drive and should we let the drunks drive?

poor analogy...

you can pick and choose your bars.
there's only one set of roads and we ALL own it, unlike a bar.
a bar is a person's PRIVATE business, not a publically funded facility.

Posted by: Red Lipstick & Green Ink (ginger931)
Posted at: April 14th, 2005 07:49 am (UTC)
Re: freedom to breathe ELSEWHERE
Black Cat Burns

I kept coming back to this discussion....
Unable to formulate
a response.

But watching you and gev go back and forth....
made me smile, strangely.

Knowing, I know two incredible and articulate men...
Like THESE.

I'm sorry--we will not meet on this topic.
My young friends will lose the loose financial grip
they have on their dream--BEERLAND
if this goes through.

Pennies matter.
Pennies will be lost.

You made me look at a far more VAST picture.
Thank-you.
But my mind, my WILL, is still dead set to fight against this.

I have an enormous amount of respect AND affection
for You, Fox.

I'm sorry.

I am sorry for so MANY reasons.

Here we divide,
but do not Part.

*smiles weakly*

Thank-you for all Your Words.

I was not Un-moved.

Posted by: Jenny (woodwhat)
Posted at: April 13th, 2005 11:47 am (UTC)
Rowr!

I saw a "Penn & Teller's Bullshit" show that claims the EPA fabricated the data that claims that second hand smoke causes cancer. Very interesting.

I HATE the persecution of smokers. I really do. The government realized with the whole Prohibition thing that they can't take away "bad" things so suddenly and have it work, so they're being more insidious with the prohibition of cigarettes. Making people believe that it's SO TERRIBLE a thing that nobody should have the right to do it... yuck.

Posted by: Red Lipstick & Green Ink (ginger931)
Posted at: April 14th, 2005 05:12 am (UTC)
Spidey Sense

*sigh*

Posted by: just john (justjohn)
Posted at: April 13th, 2005 02:01 pm (UTC)
stain

When they came for my privacy, they realized they'd have to see me naked, and they freaked.

Posted by: Red Lipstick & Green Ink (ginger931)
Posted at: April 14th, 2005 07:58 am (UTC)
Girl-Wonder

You.....

God I adore You.

::grins and grins and grins::

Posted by: hairypolack (hairypolack)
Posted at: April 13th, 2005 03:13 pm (UTC)
he smoked in bars

http://www.aptirrelevance.com/sw-archive/imgview.php?id=01739

Posted by: Red Lipstick & Green Ink (ginger931)
Posted at: April 14th, 2005 05:10 am (UTC)
Re: he smoked in bars

*giggles*

Posted by: Pumping Iron Hearts (woundedmarigold)
Posted at: April 13th, 2005 04:25 pm (UTC)
I'm with you on this Ginger.
emo


There are things that this country needs to worry about, and smoking in bars is not one of them.

What about the lack of funds for poor schools in this country, health care, social security, oh, and hey, what about what's happening overseas? Our soldiers are over there too, but hey, let's ban smoking in bars!

It seems ridiculous.

With blacked out lungs, and a fucked up liver, I choose to live my life this way...no one should make me change the way I live...the way you live...the way others live.

This country is going down the shitter.

Posted by: Red Lipstick & Green Ink (ginger931)
Posted at: April 14th, 2005 05:11 am (UTC)
Re: I'm with you on this Ginger.
Black Cat Burns

*sighs*

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